Lol, you added me as soon as I was about to leave.aw haha oh welllater on thenI'll stay for a bit if you need meNo rush.i don't xP was just gonna say hiHahaOkay thenYou have gmail right?yeahOne secalrightOkay, I sent an invitation to my private testing page.Old builds are there if you feel you wanna try it.sweetness, thanks =PNew build might be up tomorrow, and if not, definitely within the week.nicelooking forward to it!HahaOkay, I'm off.See yaalright, night theni also highly suggest, along with derrace, putting vertical airdashes in, whenever the time comes =Phaha the "not really" cracked me upwhat's the song on the intro?love the current build =D it's awesome seeing some classic X action in new places with new elementsi posted up a storm with bugs but it's mostly minor things xPHaha, I see you've been busy on the bug listBah, well message me when you get back.backHeyBrb though, 2 minutesheyok xDOkaySorry =Ps'all gooddid you get any of the messages i sent last night?Messages? Nope>_>okWhat'd you say?You can blame my cousin for that btw, you'll learn to hate him.=Oinvades your privacy huh?Nah not reallyhahaIf anything pops up that isn't his, he closes it =pSo yeah, I'm assuming that's what happened.i see, i guess this doesn't keep a log of what was said in previous chatsbetween closes and re-opensI "think" it does, but I have no idea how to do it.Never really looked it up though.i also highly suggest, along with derrace, putting vertical airdashes in, whenever the time comes =P haha the "not really" cracked me up what's the song on the intro? love the current build =D it's awesome seeing some classic X action in new places with new elements i posted up a storm with bugs buti seethat's all of themYeah, I think I'll do the vertical dashes."... bugs but it's mostly minor stuff xP"After playing kirbyhi5's demo, I'd like to do the right way.Yeah, I've seen your postsVery thorough o.Ohehe =PThe intro song is from Rockman X4it is? o_oYeahjapanese version only i guess?YepgotchaIt's the japanese intro themeweird hahadidn't know they were different xPHahak, gotta talk about these bugs. Down the list =Preal quick, what was kirbyhi5's demo?One secalrighthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynPC_iU2W1IHe's very good with effects, but in terms of physics, it needs a lot of work =/yeah hahai can see thats'kinda weirdmixing a lot of different spriteslooks more like a controlled arcade game than an X gameSorry brb again >.<oklmfao vile keeps summoning his ride armor and it explodes right after he uses it xDYeah lolstrangenessusing graphics and music and sfx from a bunch of random gamesIt's not that bad thoughyeah, just differentHahak bugs now =Pok hehehFor the first one, I know exactly what you're talking about, but I don't know what the problem isIt has to do with the processor, most definitely.As I've never got the problem before on my PC, but I've seen it once or twice on others.that's weird o_oSecond bug, I have no idea so we'll skip that.mmf is inconsistent between computers? =Xok xPSomewhat yeahIt really depends how you script out everything.i seeoh well i guessThe blinking animation problem I haven't gotten before.You sure it's when the window goes inactive?i think it happened other times too, but yes always in that situationWhat OS are you on?vista32-bitBahhahaNeed more testing on that..I don't get that problem, so I can't really pinpoint it =/ah wellk, next one.Death soundI noticed the extra sounds, but was too lazy to re-rip it.xD figuresNo one else seemed to care =Pshould be a quick fix no?YeahButI'm incredibly lazy<_<So "quick" won't happen =Pguess you're no perfectionist, hahaPssh, I'm faaaaar from perfectionLolbeing a perfectionist just means you strive for perfection =P noone does things perfectlyLol, took your meaning wrong. My bad.s'aightk, moving onNot sure if you noticed, but the water is actually supposed to cover the HUD.oh really? >_> i never noticed that in the original gamesstrangeTry it out, I believe it's like that in all of them.okNext one charge sound..While it isn't supposed to always play, as that's how it is in the originalsI do agree mine is much more strictSo I'll need to do some tweaks in that areayeah, i think the issue in the originals was hardware limitationsor something to that effectYeah, sound channel limits.so they probably would've kept it going if they could've xPTrue, but I think it sounds better that way.That charging sound would get so annoying'sup to you thenLol okay thenNext bug I'm soooo glad you posted because I would have never noticed itNot 100% sure, but I believe I fixed it in the new build.sweetSo thanks for thatyus =DOkay, that enemy you're refering toThat's the same one that has the spawning problem, right?yeah i think soThe looping thingyBelieve it or not, is actually accurate.hmm yeah ok, i think i might've seen it before in the originalwhat exactly causes it though?Getting hit with an attack above 1 damageSo, any charge shotstrangeOr a dashed normal shot.that has increased damage? o_oNever knew that?no xD;Yeah, not sure if it's a bug or notBut X1 - X3 dashed shots do double damageEven on bosses.wow <_< some fan i amHaha*facepalm*Nah, you seem to know more than everyone else I know =Pe_e;kk moving on, we're almost done.oyYou're right, it's not a bug at allSo it doesn't belong on bug list!*slap*<.<oh well xDk hurt soundI swear that it always played on deathI tested it out after that, and you were right. I doesn't play on spikes.Haven't tried getting crushed yet, but you're likely right on that too.ah okI think that's about itLast two are just me being lazy againOhPause button on key config has been fixed already.cool oki figured some of these might've =PSurprisingly no xDwell that one xDk, well sorry that was so long =Ps'coo, i posted a lot xDalso i posted some suggestionsYeah, I replied to all of those alreadyokThe camera bit was your most interesting suggestion.heheh xP just found myself a little bugged when climbing ladders and walls and thought "now wtf is bothering me"=Pso many simple things not done because of lazinessshame on thee xDSorry >.<hahaIt's just I always feel like "Why do *this* when I can do *that?"But I guess that's how laziness worksah yeah xDin my head it'd be "as soon as i do *this* i can move onto *that*" ;DYeah, that's the right way to think of thingsI wish I could do thathahabut of course that gets you in trouble with sleep sometimesi stayed up two hours later than i intended to last night because of it, for example hahaAh, really? >.<8 AM =_=Guessing that's my fault?no xDit'sss this thing's fault...LolWhat time is for you now?C:\Users\owner\Desktop\Jakob Elevator (Demo).mp3Nicholas Seron sends C:\Users\owner\Desktop\Jakob Elevator (Demo).mp3So I can know when to not bother youYAYhahait's not much, pretty short but just so you know i've started on itC:\Users\owner\Desktop\Jakob Elevator (Demo).mp3Transfer of "Jakob Elevator (Demo).mp3" is complete.Sweet, thanksyup yupit's 2:36 for me right nowPMOkay coolI'm an hour aheadbut i usually stay up uber late anyway so there's not really a time you'd be bugging me xDHaha, okay thenOnly problem I have with your song so far is the bit between 0:08 and 0:15The lead is different from the originalhow so?Bah, don't make me try to explain myself =(but i kinda need you to >_> cuz that bass line plays throughout the entire first half of the songBut... I dunno how to explain ;_;e_e;Try to listen to original, that same bityeah okNothing?*poke*oh gosh new messagessorry got some food xPLol, thought you diedxD for future reference, i do that a lotgo away for a bit without warningso if i don't reply, yeahAlso for future reference, I never turn my PC. So I might be away alotSo if I don't reply, yeahhere's a small detail i just noticed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52SlsUemgMs as X moves with about half or more of his body above water, a different kind of surface splash sprite follows himIt only happens in X1And I have that sprite in the engineah hmI think it's just disabled in that buildah, i just saw that xD yeah i never really turn my pc off eitherHahaDid you ever look at the music thingy?music thingy?Jakob Elevatoroh yeahi'm not sure what's differentReally?HmmIt noticeable difference to my ears..s'gonna sound different, it's mmx-styled >_>Well duh, I'm not that stoopid=Phaha i knowIt's just that tiny bit between 0:08 and 0:15What do you use for you music anyway? Just wonderingyour*i use Sony Acid Pro for my normal MIDI stuff, but to do MMX stuff i've been using FLStudioacid can't pull it off x)Ah hahaCool coolC:\Users\owner\Desktop\Jakob Elevator (Demo).mp3Nicholas Seron sends C:\Users\owner\Desktop\Jakob Elevator (Demo).mp3see if that sounds any betterYAYxDC:\Users\owner\Desktop\Jakob Elevator (Demo).mp3Transfer of "Jakob Elevator (Demo).mp3" is complete.changed some things, but i'm still not really sure if i got what you heard as differentYeah, theres differences, but still not the point I mean =Px_xOne sec, lemme pull up the originalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJPUqbEZrewk, at around :09 there is a much louder rock guitaryeah, it does individual little bits that emphasize on the bass parti have that in thereit might be too quiet or somethingI can barely hear it, the emphasis on yours is a bit different on that partIt kinda like the intro part is lasting longer than it shouldo_Oi'm following the song to the smallest detail in terms of timingi can assure you that no section is or will be longer or shorter than it is in the originalYeah, I believe you. Altogether it sounds very goodForgot to thumbs up you for that, my bads'alright, thanks xDI wish I could explain it better =/there are some extra effects i'll apply to make the lead and such sound better when i'm finished with the translationCool coolHow long do you think it'll take to finish the entire piece? (No rush or anything, just interested in the process of the whole thing =P)yeah i knowmight take another 2 or 3 nights of worki probably could get it done tonight if i didn't have work xP which i must leave for pretty soonbut i'll get back on it when i'm done with workCool cooldouble the coolness=Pheheh(have been) backdude, i dunno if i can do thisthe song's super hard to translate, and is taking too much timenvm, that was gonna be an april fool's joke but you weren't around so xDabout a minute into jakob stagetwo more sections to do and the loop will be finished 8Dyou there?you sure aren't on as much as the chat says you are xDSorryWent to go get foodWhat's up?haha it's alrighti have about the first minute of jakob elevator donegettin' theresweethow goes the work on build 031?It's pretty much done. Gonna hold out on the bugfixes until the next build.i see, coolnessyou said you revamped the movement system?Pretty muchI had to do the entire thing from scratch actuallydangWhich is why it took so longsloppy code before or something?Yeah. It didn't start out that way, but it was getting there.i seeI could have redid the movement without doing the engine over, but I'd figure it would be best to do it anywayyeah definitely, you're probably more familiar with all the code now that you've redone it all at onceBut since this whole thing is redone, I'm expecting a lot more bugs.Yephahastarting over lets you plan ahead for all the things you didn't think about when you started it the first time, oyhaha i'm so confusednew bugLol, you understand completely where I'm coming from xDhaha yeah, i've had my share of crappily coded gamesam majoring in game dev and programming in collegeAh neatso weirdd, i dashed onto some health energy and then X froze in the air and the dying "bubbles" animation is playing over him but he's just suspended in airteleporting to new areas doesn't fix itbut self destruct didWeird, sometimes crazy "once in a lifetime" bugs pop upNo idea where they come fromyeah haha xDhah, mets don't fall when they walk off platformsIf it managed to walk off the platform, then it's another of those "once in a lifetime" bugsi see >_>Probably CPU relatedNormally it would just stop at the edgeyeah that's what they're doing nowwhenever you get back, Jakob Elevator is finishedheyaHeyBrb, speed running Super Metroid xDhaha, guess it'll be a while thenNah =pSo how's the music coming along?it's doneReally? o.Oyeah xDi might apply some effects to some of the instruments, but all of the composition is doneOkay, you should probably finish it 100% before I listen =PC:\G\iTunes Music\Nicholas Seron\Game Dragon's MMX Engine\Jakob Elevator.mp3Nicholas Seron sends C:\G\iTunes Music\Nicholas Seron\Game Dragon's MMX Engine\Jakob Elevator.mp3there it is without effects, if you want iti don't really know that the effects will be necessaryyou may as well listen now in case you have any quips with it that you want me to changethat way when i add effects, i can make those changes too and be done with itAh okay thenC:\G\iTunes Music\Nicholas Seron\Game Dragon's MMX Engine\Jakob Elevator.mp3Transfer of "Jakob Elevator.mp3" is complete.Sorry, I'll listen in about 20 mins it's coolBah, sorry about that. Just got around to listening to it @_@Ya, it's great =Dsweetno problem =PSo you gonna leave it as is? Or are you still gonna do that effects stuff?i dunno i think i might see how it sounds with effectsbut i think it's alright the way it is too xDif you want i can give you the two files you can use to loop it seamlesslyAh cool, greatwant 'em?YepkkC:\G\iTunes Music\Nicholas Seron\Game Dragon's MMX Engine\Jakob Elevator A.mp3Nicholas Seron sends C:\G\iTunes Music\Nicholas Seron\Game Dragon's MMX Engine\Jakob Elevator A.mp3C:\G\iTunes Music\Nicholas Seron\Game Dragon's MMX Engine\Jakob Elevator A.mp3Transfer of "Jakob Elevator A.mp3" is complete.C:\G\iTunes Music\Nicholas Seron\Game Dragon's MMX Engine\Jakob Elevator B (Looping).mp3Nicholas Seron sends C:\G\iTunes Music\Nicholas Seron\Game Dragon's MMX Engine\Jakob Elevator B (Looping).mp3s'annoying, this messenger doesn't memorize the last folder you sent files from x)C:\G\iTunes Music\Nicholas Seron\Game Dragon's MMX Engine\Jakob Elevator B (Looping).mp3Transfer of "Jakob Elevator B (Looping).mp3" is complete.Yeah, it's kinda dumbI always just drag & drop into the messenger windowah i seei thought i tried that but apparently nothahaso what do you have planned for 031 aside from improved movement system code?Lemme look at the changlogk, well I added two very cheaply made weaponshaha, better than nothing =PAnd added a few stage gimmicks, like the dark rooms in Spark Mandrill's levelah neatOther than that, it's just tweaksniceIt's pretty much done, no idea why I haven't posted it yet.>.>;if it's alright with you, i'ma post jakob elevator on my channel soon and promote your engine in the descriptionSureoh and did you see my latest suggestion?i'm guessing notNope, I didn'tHahaI dunno, I can't see anywhere it would fit?yeah w/e it's up to you=Phehehhow do you design stages right now? is it something built into MMF?Yeahi seeIt has a built-in Level editor I guess you could call itgotchai should look up some random tutorial or something to see how it works, cuz i'm not sure if that custom method i have would work well with MMFWell show me it =Pok hehehi'ma throw together a small sample stage layoutOkayC:\Users\owner\Pictures\Google Talk Received Images\MMXC\iDraw\iDraw3.exeThe file you attempted to send has been detected as potentially unsafe and was not sent.C:\Users\owner\Pictures\Google Talk Received Images\MMXC\iDraw\IDraw.rarNicholas Seron sends C:\Users\owner\Pictures\Google Talk Received Images\MMXC\iDraw\IDraw.rarC:\Users\owner\Pictures\Google Talk Received Images\MMXC\iDraw\IDraw.rarTransfer of "IDraw.rar" is complete.so yeah, the program's called idraw (obviously)Heheit's most useful for creating level layouts, but can be used to tile them too if they have 256 colors or less (which fits any SNES stage)Oh wow, that's helpfulExplain to me some of those colorsFirst ones are ladders, right?takes a little getting used to, but i find it way more convenient than anything else i've usedyeahthen the red would be spikesAhorange-ish would be a horizontal moving platform and the blue defines its rangepink would be doorsCool coolSimple enoughyeahI could easily convert this to MMF in 2 minutesi find idraw especially useful for slopes, so easy to doIt seems to be drawn to scale, right?yeah basicallyi sometimes have small issues with scale in terms of distance between things, but i tried toGimme a sec, I'll try it nowcoolnessYeah, I have an easy method for distanceWell, looking at it. I don't have any vertical doors =PxDBut other than that, I can do itniceif it's easy enough to import these into MMF, i'd highly recommend using idraw, at least for more extensive and serious levels (like the demo stages you're planning on releasing with it)I'll give a tryi find it so easy to breeze through level layouts that the issue becomes your creativity moreso than technical issues of trying to add a certain design x)coolif you have questions, go ahead and askNot really, I just have to try it out for myselfYou said it can use tiles too right?yeahDoes it have a grid?i actually don't think it has a visible grid xD which is kinda strange, but i've done a lot of stages in it and don't really miss having a grid too badly=(oh waitI NEED a grid thoughyeah it does have onemaybe..Wait waitFirst it was no, then yes, now maybe?xDwell under settings it mentions stuff about a grid and has options pertaining to itbut i don't see one after having messed with themHmmok it doesbut it only shows at 8x or higher zoomYayxDkinda weirdAnd you can resize the grid right?yeah under settingsif you set a "grid color" it displays the grid between all pixels, but if you set that to none it'll only show a white dotted-line grid in increments that you define i.e. 16x16One sec, lemme open itokBah, that's badeh?Everything works in a 256x256 grido.OYou can't see that in iDrawyou mean in MMF?Yeahi don't get what you meanYeah, sorryLets say we had 1 room in MMXThe size of it would be 256x256i see, so the viewport sizeViewport? Nope, it's smallerIt's weirdohThat would be 256x224so you're saying the maps are divided into 256x256 squares?Yepi seeyou're that anal about sticking to the SNES style huh? xDLolYeah xDit seems like more of a technical limitation of the time, something that you personally shouldn't have to worry about with your enginebut w/e i guessNot exactlyIt has to do with how the camera worksDon't really know how to explain it, but it's pretty importantyou could always leave some extra space in the map and keep a 256x256 block off to the sideWhat do you mean?bring it in when you need it, or pre-layout a grid with it and tile over thatLemme screen shot what I meanokhttp://imgur.com/nYJn3.pngOnly the left hand side, but yayeah i seeThe whole map is divided into 256x256 grids, which is divided into 16x16 gridsThe dotted line would be the viewportgotchaThings like boss rooms wouldn't work properly (any area where the camera is stationary) if it wasn't set up like thatWell, it would workBut it wouldn't be very MMX style =Pheh yeah i guess xPhaha took me a sec to realize that was the map i set upLolYa, just about done. Gimme a secMaking it playablealrightyAlso, whenever I give you a time or dateMultiply it by about 30e_e;so if you said you'd do something by april 1st 2010, it'd actually get done april 30th of 60310? =PPretty much =Pthat "boss room" obviously isn't to scale xD i just guesstimated its sizeYa, it's notCan't add it in anyway, no vertical doors xDyeah hahaI'm amazed at the thing as a whole thoughEverything is sized exactly righte_e i triedJust noticed how bad the camera is on slopesDunno if it's just this build or not o.OhmmWas trying to fix it (that's why it's taking me so long xD)haha i seeyeah it's pretty bad in 030 tookinda jumpywhere the camera isn't vertically stationary, of courseWhere at?right after first doorYeah, thought soHmm, okay then. I guess I know what I have to work on for Build 032the slope camera?The camera in generalhehI worked so hard on the camera limitations/boundaryTook me weeks to get that right =pBut I didn't really do anything for scrollinglike following X?Yeahi seeMeh, whatever. I'll save what I have noweh?b031s.exeGame Dragon sends b031s.exewhatever-ing about the camera? xDcoolNah, the layoutahScrew the camera for today=PNeeds to be run with the config.iniyeahC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s.exeYou have successfully received C:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s.exe from Game Dragon.Bah, stupid connectionOh ya, those cheap weapons are in that onexDwell this is strange...?it takes like 30 seconds for the window to appearand then when it does it stays black for another 30 secondsand then it plays a few frames then freezesfor 2 minutesthen plays another few frames and freezes againHuh?It's working fine for meOddnot to mention it's not at 200% like it was with build 030it's in the same place as config.iniYa, it won't resize. Sorryreally weirdMainly just for controlsthe ini I meanoh i seexPyeah it's not picking up...Wow, weird @_@just keeps following the short burst, freeze, short burst, freeze patternI hope that's not a bad sign =/yeah x_xbuild 030 still works without flawi wonder if there's some code in the title sequence that build 030 hasThere isThat's where the resizing and stuff happensBut the file I just sent you works fine for meNo freezing or anythingb031s2.exeGame Dragon sends b031s2.exeTry that oneokIt's missing the auto-resize, but the title screen and options should be intactC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s2.exeYou have successfully received C:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s2.exe from Game Dragon.yep that works fineat least so farHmmor maybe notSame problem?yeah, the capcom part worked but everything after that is doing the same thingtitle screen animationand suchOkay, test something real quickxD the title screen timer remained intact while the animation froze, so it faded the options in over the frozen animationok(the options are still frozen though)b031s3.exeGame Dragon sends b031s3.exeTell me if it does the same thing on the title animationokC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s3.exeYou have successfully received C:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s3.exe from Game Dragon.same thing x_xThen I have no ideaThe only thing the title, options, and game have in common is the new control method I'm usingBut I deleted the whole thing.did you change something with how it handles graphics, or something in the export settings?Nope, everything is exactly the samewtf >_<is that map i made in the game file?Yeahyou might try removing the map imageits size might be causing issuesI didoh x_xi'ma try it on another computerWaitLast oneok hehb031s4.exeGame Dragon sends b031s4.exeC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s4.exeYou have successfully received C:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s4.exe from Game Dragon.sameBah... damnit @_@I need another computer so I can pinpoint what the problem isyeah =\I'll give it another try tomorrowhehthe other computer i tried it on gave an error reading "Joystick2.mfx" or something like thatso i guess i won't be finding out if it works on there @_@Good, so it is the controls that the problemerrFigured thati don't think so, but maybedoesn't make sense that a method of controls would cause the game to freeze and stuff, to me at leastYou'd be surprisedb031s5.exeGame Dragon sends b031s5.exeIf that doesn't work, then I have no ideaokC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s5.exeYou have successfully received C:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s5.exe from Game Dragon.fixed xDThen yeah, it's the controlsi'm guessing that you completely disabled the controls for a quick testOne of the things I added to b031 was joystick supportYeahi seeStill wondering why it works on my side.eh, if people want to use a joystick you should just direct them to Glovepie xDmight have something to do with that Joystick2.mfx fileNot everyone is that smartmaybe only people with MMF installed can run ityeah x)why are there ads on the bottom of this messenger*shrug*annoying and takes up screen space xDI barely even notice itBrbit's a lot bulkier than the other messengers i useokBulky? In what way?just uses lots of extra space for stuff like the buttons and whatnotbigger fontsAhtrying to find a decent image of the screen before jakob elevator startsThe loading screen?to put in the video xPyeahI could rip that for youI have the PC versionah sweet, if you wouldn't mindAh damnit, I forgot I don't have my saves anymore >.<ah dang hahaoh wellYeah, sorryno probhmmhttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vBCSLbKJ7nI/SNm5KgqfW-I/AAAAAAAAAeg/1tfSKpQ3bjk/s320/Sprites+INC+-+The+Megaman+Sprite+Rip+Archive.png is decentyahaha interesting http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2008/09/jakob-tower-is-actually-being-built-not.htmlI'm sure if Japan could build a real scale Gundam, they'd have no trouble bulding an elevator =Phaha yeah that life-sized gundam was pretty intenseof course it's basically a statue, not a real working gundamStill, it's a Gundam!yeah xDa ginormous humanoid structure with tons of armorBut, ya. I think an orbital elevator would be possiblewould be so cool heheha problem is that everyone else in the world would think so too =PHehe, yeah it's truedunno if you read the full article but "Japan is hosting an international conference in November to draw up a timetable for the machine."That was in 2008 thoughoh was it? >_>so it was=PhmmheyHeyhow goesPretty goodcoolnessSo what's up?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW7X5hNXyHoYayoh hey i can probably put an @ before your user name and it would link to your profileforgot you can do that nowReally? o.ONever knew thati think soyou can in comments at leastaw mannopeguess it only works in commentsAhhaha i need to get tatsunoku vs capcomHehe, ya it's funtrigger and zero ftwHahaI'm bad with both of themxDI mostly stick to the Tatsunoko sidei seei think it's cool that they did MMX version of zero instead of MMZ, which has been done quite a few times beforeYeah, but I'm still mad X hasn't been in a fighting game yet @_@haha yeah, s'kinda ridiculousEven Megaman.EXE has been in oneyep x_xalongside MMZYeahhope their reasoning isn't X's newfound peacekeeper attitude from x7 & 8 xPWell, Classic Megaman has the same attitude, but he's been in fighters =/i suppose sohe's not as hesitant to fight when he needs to thoughOn top of that, he's not even allowed to attack humans @_@xDi just realized, they've practically done away with youtube avatar imagesyou can only see them anymore in peoples' channelsOh wow, you're rightNew video layout confuses the hell out of meI get so lostyeah it's kinda meh xPso do you have a way around the controls issues? maybe you could make the joystick stuff toggle-able, and only use it if a certain value in config.ini is trueIt already is actuallyah sweetor 'was'Gotta do a bit more testing in that area.i seelet me know whenever the playable build release is doneWill dothanksHeyheyaNo, go away I don't need you anymore =(...ok?k, need ya again.Still there?yeah xDb031s_7.exeGame Dragon sends b031s_7.exeJust tell me if that slows down at the title screen like the others didC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s_7.exeYou have successfully received C:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b031s_7.exe from Game Dragon.Stupid thing is giving me such a headache...*poke*hoy!Still alive?yezzir checkin' dees outnope no slow-downSweetOkay, I think I can upload this build nowActually, one more thing?Bah, two more things?? xDLol, don't worry about it xDJust some quick mistakes I forgot to addressokay thenBuild should be up in a few minutesYou'll need new config.iniok cooldang =\ current build isn't running too fastabout 30-45 fps i thinkit runs at full speed when i'm not doing anything (moving plats increase in speed and such)but when i'm moving around it slows down to around probably 45the game works faster in a smaller room but still slows down randomly with changes in X's actionsnice job with the ice physicsah man, need some invisible checkpoints xPadded more bug reports and suggestionsand a comment on the project hometo you and the other testersAh wow, thanks for all the postsAnd yeah, all the collisions are being rounded offBelieve it or not, I had the collisions working somewhat fine. But around the time when that controls problem started, I changed something and that seem to broke the entire thingAnd I can't remember what it was I changed @_@Tell me when you're back, need to borrow you for a sec.back xDmany hours laterLol>_> already knew about the ctrl+1-6 shortcuts, that's why i mentioned ctrl shortcuts xDOh, sorryI never told you any of the debug keys, wasn't sure if you knew or notyeah, i read some of the other replies you gave to other suggestions and that was in one of them i thinkAhanyway, the reason i'd like a checkpoint there isn't because it's too hard, but because it'd just make it easier to test that area without having to test everything before it too, which takes extra timeBahremember, we the test players are not your audience, but those who get the final build =PThat's 100% true, as well as validIt's just a bit tedious making extra checkpointsi seeDon't think I remember about you testersI don't remember*Lolhaha kI originally thought to put checkpoints thereBut since everything was so closed together I figured it was unnecessarygotchaIf you still insist on it, I'll add it in.xD it's up to you hehehprobably better that ya just focus more on the bugfixesif it'll take that much extra workYeah, I've been working on thosecoolI expected this build to have a lot more bugs than what's been posted so far thoughThen again, I've only heard from 3 of my 5 testersi seewhere else did you expect to see bugs?Lmao, everywhere xDhahaDidn't expect so many bugs involving the menu and title screen thoughOHThat's what I needed you forNeedja for performance testeh?Checking for slowdowns and suchWill you be around/busy in about an hour or so?i will be busy actually =\ have a class, but will be back around 3 hours from thenNo problemReason I ask you specifically, is because you seem to be getting the worst performance out of the testers who've tried so far.yeahFixing up this camera atmsweetOkay, I think I've fixed it more to your liking =PThe camera I meansweetness =DOh haiheya, i'm backYeah, pretty much got the camera mastered right nowawesomeIt lookes a little weirdBut values-wise, it's accurateLooks*sounds great 8D were there many issues?Not reallyJust had to do a lot of Lua scripting to find out how the original camera offsettedI knew it did it, just never knew how much and when.cooFixing up my ladder coding right nowwhat is Lua btw? i've heard the term a lot, and apparently it's a method you can use to check certain things in roms, but i don't really know exactlyIt's kinda like C and C+Just a programming languagegotchaHeyheyowhat's upBusy?not reallyCan you do a quick performance test for me?sureThanksb032_t1.exeGame Dragon sends b032_t1.exeC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b032_t1.exeYou have successfully received C:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b032_t1.exe from Game Dragon.Forgot to make the masks invisible =Pb032_t2.exeGame Dragon sends b032_t2.exeIf the masks bother youAltered camera is in there as wellcoolnessLol, nothing?sorry i'm having to finish some things for a class before midnight xD which is in 20 minutes for meOh okay, no problemsweetnessit's working much faster nowkeep hearing the landing noise right before X teleports inDon't worry about thatokI left a lot of things uneditted in that buildIt's not the final build, most of it will be fixedJust wanted to check the performancei know i knowLol sorry=PC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b032_t2.exeYou have failed to receive file "b032_t2.exe" from Game Dragon.huh??"You have failed to receive file "b032_t2.exe" from Game Dragon."Oh I had tried to send you it hours agoBut you never accepted ito_O;; it just now told meLike 2 minutes after I sent you the first onemy bad xD i swear the window never flashedb032_t2.exeGame Dragon sends b032_t2.exeIf you still want itwhat's different?I can't even rememberI know the camera changes is in that oneDunno what elseC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b032_t2.exeYou have successfully received C:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\b032_t2.exe from Game Dragon.what the heckkk is this thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qecPQ0FB-64so strange hahaThat's japan for youLolWhen he squeezed the head, it kinda scared meXDDYa, that thing scares melmfaoomg haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJo7BFf8CEI&NR=1Omg I couldn't live in Japan where everything has faces >.<cracks me up so much xDMe too, but it's still freaky to start at xDstare*yeah xPheyaHeyi finally made it past that ice part xDHaha xDposted a few more small bugsI'm surprised you noticed the overlapping on the wallxDProblem is, I can't really fix it without using more resourcesi seeI'd have to make more detectors, which would shoot the object count even higherah okdoesn't really matter i guessjust ran into a strange glitch where a spike ball was extended from that knight-like mechaniloidbut his shield was closed, and the ball was stuckuntil i approached, then he opened his shield and another spike ball appeared xDTwo?and after the proper time for that one, they both retracted in and it was fixedyeahHate random bugs like thati probably couldn't reproduce itxDYeah, probably not\no noises when boss is hit, but i'm sure that's just you being lazy xPAw, that hurt =(pfff i'm just saying you probably know italreadyhahaNah, wasn't laziness this timeHe had sound effects beforeI just forgot to put them back in b031i see, okthe elevator reappears even when the spawn point is in viewif it were to do this, i think it should at least come up from belowWeird, it should only reappear when you're off screenthis is probably solely a stage design flaw and not a bug, but you forgot an invisible off-screen barrier on the right side of the ceiling in the enemy areaYeah, probably stage designwheel slid through a wall in that skidding-out animation right before it explodes xPYeah, another bug I've been having trouble with for awhilegotchaWhen it falls over, it's vertical size gets smallerand so does it's collisionAnd for whatever reason, it chooses to not work at that sizestrangeit'd be neat if you added the jumping hogammer behavior eventually xDWhen does it ever jump?oohooone sechoganmer*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uaik7zXlGKcAh, that explains why I've never seen ityeah hahathis is really strange http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDtepNY7csk&NR=1=Phahait's not a secret enemy, just that you never get a chance to kill that thingNah, you can kill itBut doesn't drop anything like that normallyahhave you ever tried a shoryuken irl?Lol, so randomXDI think sohahait's toughto land mostlyHaha, yeahwooshYo'supSleepy =PxDi laugh in the face of sleepand then i miss class >_>Lolguess that sleepiness isn't holdin' you back eh xPheyaopeHeyhow's it going?Pretty goodcoolioness=Pi mean i guess xDHow bout you?alright, but kinda bored xDHaha, yeahSame herei seeHey, did I ask you about the weapon thingy?the weapon thingyYa, THE weapon thingyholy weapon thingies, thingy man!xDno you didn't xPk well, I posted it on the frontpage, but in case you didn't see it, I'm having each tester add one weapon to engine.Well, if they want tooh really, so we submit ideas to you then?YeahsweetYou can just tell me through MSN though =Pyeah ok hehehmmAlso remember to include a charged versionyeah sure thingi'm sure you've seen these, but just in case: http://kotaku.com/5513370/its-all-good-in-the-mega-man-hoodYeah xDhehehAlso a warning: I have the memory of a 90 year old. I might ask you the same question again tomorrow or something xDoh nice >_>i have another friend who does that, so i'm used to it xDHahahow're you gonna make sure no two weapons are alike?erweapons suggestionsIt really doesn't matter honestly. If it an actual game then yai gotchaIt's mainly for fun and for the testers to "leave their marks" =Phehe coolSo whatever you got, lemme knowkki think all the testers might've been thinking about chill penguin when they mentioned the ice physics as a bugchill penguin's stage has much different ice physics from blizzard buffaloDoes it even have ice physics?I don't remember anyi think it does, just very slight slidingin the cave-type areaAh yeahActually noNo physics =Preally?Yeah, I'm on it right nowThere's ice, but no sliding at alli wasn't sure, but i really thought there wereoh well xPYeah =PThe only other ice stage I remember is Crystal SnailAnd it has the same physics as Buffalowhich wasn't exactly ice hehyeahNah, theres some tiny bits with iceBut they're all slopesLooking at it now, I should have used Chill Penguin's ice tiles instead of Buffalos =(hahaoh well, doesn't really matterthese aren't stages that'll be in the final build are they?Depends what you mean by stagesEverything in there so far will be in the final public buildBut if you mean the demo, then no =Pok xPis the demo what you're making the example stages forYeahgotchaFor less confusion, I wanna keep the demo and the engine seperateIf that makes senseso you can release the engine sooner?Not reallyjust a guess xPHahashould we pick the name of it too? xPYupokAnd colorsAnd please, for the love of god. No bluelmao ok xDMainly because we already got one with blue =PBut also because I hate that color >=(=OgaspLoland you're an MMX fan? =PHahaI got no problems with Megaman xDMaybe he hates blue too =Phahahe was just cursedxDAnd to call me less of a MMX fanMy favorite color is redBut ironically, I hate Zero more than I hate blue =P=Oeven more gaspaliciousLolkinda hard to come up with a color combo without seeing it on X xPUse paint or photoshop or something =PWell, do you have a weapon idea already?yeahComing up with a color will be much easier that waywell it would beexcept that it's an ice weapon =PAw damnwhich goes all-too-well with bluexDWell, the big problem with thatThe weapon I already haveIs blue and whiteThe two colors Ice is usually associated with =Pyeahmaybe i could call it some sort of mutated crystalline weaponBut you can use Light blue, and another colorLikeChill Penguin's weapon is Light blue and yellowi was thinking like an aqua color that has slightly more green than blue as one of themHmm, smartHmm, probably shoulda uploaded it...http://imgur.com/yZSz1.pngThat okay?ahh xDfor a sec i couldn't figure out how to view chat againWhoopsYou got the link?yeahhmm, lemme finish the weapon description and i'll send, then see whatcha think*nod nod*C:\Users\owner\Desktop\MMX_Engine_Weapon_-_Saber Mage.txtNicholas Seron sends C:\Users\owner\Desktop\MMX_Engine_Weapon_-_Saber Mage.txtC:\Users\owner\Desktop\MMX_Engine_Weapon_-_Saber Mage.txtTransfer of "MMX_Engine_Weapon_-_Saber Mage.txt" is complete.so, because of how i described the crystal, i'm thinking one of X's colors could be a dark purple/violetmaybe a little desaturatedI seethe overall idea might just be too complex, iunno xPIt is a bit complex, but doablesweeti'd gladly provide sprites if i had such skills e_e;Yeah, unfortunately I won't be making any custom spritesBut the overall concept is still doablei seeI thinkI'm still confused on a couple of things thoughoy?Mainly the growing in size thingahwell as i said, the original idea was snow/ice, so it kinda makes more sense as a snowball or something xPhmm, maybe it could be fired with tiny crystal particles that swirl around it, and as it goes the particles attach to it one at a timeWhen you say it "falls at a slow rate", first thing I think of is Crystal Snail's weaponIs that right to assume that?ah, not really xP crystal snail's fires in an arcthis would fire straight from x's busterOkay, cooland would fire more slowlyerfallNow what would happen say it collides with the floor/?*maybe change the angle of the particles that come off of it, and fire less according to how much it's grownHm okayCouple moreMore questions I meanyeahFor the bits that come off when it explodesWhat happens when those hit a floor/wall?they just diei guessYou guess? You sound unsure xDor maybe they don't hit floors walls and just go past them like buster shotsk, well it's up to you. I'll get to work on it now.cool alrightyeah, i'd say the latterNow the charged bit, I know what you're explaining and it makes sense, but I can't picture it in my small head =Phaha oklemme put a simple graphical schmazm togetherYaythat will most likely not be to scale xDI don't mind =Pwhich boost idea do you prefer?with or without platformWithoutokC:\Users\owner\Pictures\WaveGlideChargeDiagram.bmpNicholas Seron sends C:\Users\owner\Pictures\WaveGlideChargeDiagram.bmpYayxPC:\Users\owner\Pictures\WaveGlideChargeDiagram.bmpTransfer of "WaveGlideChargeDiagram.bmp" is complete.Oooh okay, it was just a bit of a misread on my partcoo cooI was thinking something entirely different when you said "crystal waves"hahamaybe something like spark mandrill charge, is what you were thinking?Well, right now I'm thinking Flame Mammoth's weaponah yeahChargedit's a little similar to that in terms of behavior along the groundstops at first wall or platform edgeOkay, cooli was thinking that maybe if you wanted the charge to take less time and look more fluid, you could combine the growing and the falling into one motion, so that by the time those projectiles hit the ground they're at full sizeYa, that's what I was thinkingsweet 8DBut for now, I'll just be adding the normal weapons. The charged versions will be in after I add the armor abilitiesyusas i figured=PhehexD just noticed that the filename of the weapon description i gave you, i used a space in it despite using underscores for all the other spacesLolsilly I=POkay, last question I think =PFor the normal shotCan you describe this crystal a bit more?Like, what kind of shapei thought you weren't gonna do custom sprites xDor did you mean you won't take other peoples' spritesNot really, but I still wanna get it close to what you wantNo I meant custom =PokThe first onewell it wouldn't be spiky i don't thinkmore like a diamond-type shape, but with random face placementWhat do you mean?maybe more in leiu of a chaos emeraldHmm, so you wanna shoot Chaos emeralds?InterestingxDD no not reallyhahaor a smaller version of the thing surrounding enemies that were frozen by crystal snail's weaponthat casingNot exactly diamond shapped thoughoh yeah er not like the shape that is called "diamond" xDa chaos emerald from the top, is what i was meaningAh, like a jewelyeahso closer to a sphere i guessHm okayI can work with thatSorry to pester you lolcoono need to be sorryerrC:\Users\owner\Pictures\Wave_Glide_Suggested_Colors.bmpNicholas Seron sends C:\Users\owner\Pictures\Wave_Glide_Suggested_Colors.bmpC:\Users\owner\Pictures\Wave_Glide_Suggested_Colors.bmpTransfer of "Wave_Glide_Suggested_Colors.bmp" is complete.maybe like thatGotchaC:\Users\owner\Pictures\Wave_Glide_Suggested_Colors2.bmpNicholas Seron sends C:\Users\owner\Pictures\Wave_Glide_Suggested_Colors2.bmpor maybe something like thatC:\Users\owner\Pictures\Wave_Glide_Suggested_Colors2.bmpTransfer of "Wave_Glide_Suggested_Colors2.bmp" is complete.xDWell, which do you prefer?not sure, what do you think xDHmmI like the first one better, but I think the second one makes more sensei think the first might look too much like his normal armor, or rather his x4-and-later colorsbut i do think it might look betterand i do think the second one makes more sense as a scheme for this particular weapon xPYeahCrystal I got looks bad =PxDoh wellss'too bad you don't have a spriter in your midst, ready to do your biddingYeah =PI don't think spriters are very hard to find thoughgood spriters?Yeah, just gotta find one that can do MMX stylefor sureAhh well, I'll try again tomorrowQuite sleepymrokayNightlatershaaaabamguess not?niceHmm?your status?OhYeahxDYeah, big changelog so farAbout 20 fixes.awesomeHeyheya dudehow goesWell, I got two things to ask yashootOne involves testing something again =Pok hahaI'm not sure if it was you or not, but someone told me a pretty heavy bug related to enemies and didn't post it on the bug listAnd now I can't remember what it was.the uhdouble spike ball thing maybe?Hmm, I forgot about that, but I don't think that was it either.i think i would've posted it if it were anything elseHmm k, then it wasn't youYou're the only one online right now, so I figured I'd askgotchadid you ever ask me both questions? xDOh no. I thought you died.SorryOne sechaha nopeno death herei'm a livin' breathin' heathenxDheheOkay, gonna need ya to download two thingsBoth are pretty much the same thing, but the second has joystick controls completely removed.okI just want you to check if you get any performance differencesrighthttp://www.mediafire.com/?zy3zivfnmydhttp://www.mediafire.com/?34ymumwieyoI'd check myself if I could, but I get steady 60 FPS on both =(hehehfirst one runs decently at the beginning but the engine itself runs at about 1/2 speedHmmeven your health pickup SFX have extra artifacts in them xPbut yeah, physics run at about 1/2 speed but for some reason going through doors seems full speedthe area after the boss is running much fasterstill not full speed thoughbut bearableHmm, can you tell me the exact FPS it's going?how do i show it xPPress F1wow okxD area after the boss is actually at an average 30 fpsconfusionHmm, that's bad.So there was no difference in framerate from those two?i guess notat least there isn't anymoreBahbug firing charge shot right before get heart: the pink projectiles stop briefly but continue to animate and leave trails until everything's unfrozenLolThanksyeah x)Funny looking xDyeah hehehi'll try the other one nowArgh, I wish I knew what was causing these slowdowns @_@It's hard to pinpoint it on my PC, since I don't get them at allsecond one's actually just as slowI'm on a quad core, but even when I use one core and set priority to low, it's still full speed @_@so whatever it is, it apparently doesn't have to do with the joystick controlsYeah, I guess nothaha, in the debug text"Wall Jumo"Yeah the bottom of the 'p' is cut out a bitstill has an under-shadow as if it were an oi'm pretty sure it's a typo =PI can assure you it's notweirdis the shadow not part of the font?It isthen wouldn't it cut off where the stem of the P is?But there's supposed to be 2 pixel extraor would beKinda how like the 'g' isYeah, on the charmap, the p and the o are exactly the sameSo it's not really a typo =Pwhatt how weird xDbugfind: after the view moves down from the place above the dark area, you can climb up the right side, jump on and past the slippery ice floor and off-screen, then fall down and still be off-screenmore of a stage design flawthan a bugYeah, it's because I put the darkness room in a place it shouldn't beBut I wanted all the stage gimmicks near each other, so I did it anywayi seeJust disregard it, just stupidity on my part.k xDLol, funny I did notice the 'p' thingBecause I just checked the dialogue engine, and all of them have the p fixed.Wow, you're really testing that thing with it going half speed? o.Oyep>.<hahaOne more testhttp://www.mediafire.com/?mqkzijnnbznAlot of things will be broken in that onebrokenthingsActually noDon't bother with that>_>Sorry >.<already didand it runs quite smoothlyxPReally?yepFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUXD?So it's 60 FPS?keeping a pretty consistent 59, is what it says in the debug text49 is as low as its goneDamnit damnit damnit >.<what'd you change? apparently something you don't want the way it is in this buildI deleted everything that required an instanced loopPlatforms, enemies, spawn points, items, etc.xD that's not goodDefinitely notSo that would mean theres not much I can do about it.woe is you, MMF2...Might need you to try two more =Pok hehehhttp://www.mediafire.com/?jaymjxygjaxok thatit's running fast, but everything looks really choppyLolYeah, I know whyso it's like the code is running full speed but the view is updating slowerMMF has a option to make things run at full speed on slower PCsSo I'm guessing thats pretty much frame skipah, guess soTry this one, same thing but no frame skiphttp://www.mediafire.com/?dnmu4km44gySorry, this must be getting quite annoying =/nah it's coolyeah this is back around 30goes a lot faster while X isn't movingx)Hmm okayMaking some changesi notice the moving plats are still disabledYeahTrying to pinpoint exactly which loop is causing the slowdowni seei dunno how the original games react to this, but jumping constantly while holding up on a ladder is hillarious xDhilarious*It's a bit similar, but mine is much more speedyAnother one coming up >.<kkmy patience is not worn thin so easily =PHa, you say that nowi doeoohttp://www.mediafire.com/?ydekonqzii2All I changed in that one was the loop that checks your ammowelp, is working way more smoothly =PWootlowest i've seen it go is 45not really noticeable thoughDoes it stay at 45?Or does it kinda just tick to 45?nah it probably averages 55 while moving50-55Hmm okayProgress I guessyepif you ever want more webspace and a more recognizable URL, you're welcome to an ftp account on my site (could be http://anything.decidel.net)http://www.mediafire.com/?mwxtq4zjm5nAh coolThough, right now I'm trying to keep everything privateyeahdisabled the plats again eh*nod*this one's a little better, doesn't go below 50 unless i'm jumping around and firing like crazy>=(xDIt's odd, you should be getting slowdowns on button pressesoh jeezsomething i neglected to test beforeenemies, and they definitely cause slowdownback down to 30 fpsaverage=\Okay, we'll try somethinghttp://www.mediafire.com/?tnjn2n4mzqaEnemies shouldn't spawn on that onethis one's back to around 30 fpsWtfeven when idling it doesn't go above 46 fpssounds like this thing's touchyTell me about it =/http://www.mediafire.com/?yygoa01zzggsame deal, though higher when idlingand jumps into the 40s more often while movingI can't even remember what I disabled to make it run smoothlyyou said it was the ammo check loop or somethingYeah, that's still offo_OLast one for nowhttp://www.mediafire.com/?m2un2unhlniyep, that's plenty smoothseldom goes below 50Hm okayI have a lot of work to do thenhow's that?That was with almost everything disabledheh xPSteady 59?for the most partOkay, greatfor sureYou said the health pickups had extra sounds in them?Ohyeah, like the dying soundThe subtankOkay, I hear itkkHey, I might need to borrow you for a sec again =(haha YES!less do thisLolOnly one this timeOne seckkhttp://www.mediafire.com/?1nczzfjcnmwI'm fairly confident in that oneconfidence yayyxDStill a couple of things disabled in that, so don't pay it too much attentionuhh hmmit doesn't seem to have any controllability xDcan't get past title screenno response to arrow keys, nothin'Do you have the config file in the same folder?yepOddsame place i put all the other ones i testedIt works for me =/well obviously or else you wouldn't've sent it over xDWell, I wouldn't even think to check the title screen anyway =PDo you have your controls set for keyboard or gamepad?keyboardVery oddrestarted, still nothingDelete your config.iniI'll send another oneokOne secconfig.iniGame Dragon sends config.iniCan't change keys in this one though =PYou'll have to use build 031 for thatC:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\config(1).iniYou have successfully received C:\Users\owner\Documents\My Received Files\config(1).ini from Game Dragon.still nothin' dudeWowit doesn't make since that it would be the config.ini anywaysnot like you changed anything in it between buildsI did actuallyahBut it still should be compatible with the old config.iniAhThe only reason it wouldn't work is if you have any sort of gamepad plugged inDo ya?nopenot at allOdd, but I'm gonna stick to that hunch. One sec.Gonna force it to keyboardnothing has changed since i tested the last onesokhttp://www.mediafire.com/?hhmgdryi2nwdat feased itCoolAny improvement?=(oh yeah, definitelyjust played through most of itthe debug text's FPS never went below 59 until i interacted with some enemies, and even then it never went below 50Ya, was about to warn you about thatOne specific thing I want you to testThe despawner is disabled so I expect FPS drops in the enemy roomBut kill yourself and go to like the first 3 enemiesThe two Mets and Flammingleuh huhTell me if it drops around thereTwo important and stressful loops happen there, so if it slows for ya there, I need to work on thatnopeThank god @_@8DOkay, so other than the enemies, no other slowdowns?didn't seem like itk, sweet.Back to bug fixing thenThough I added even more bugs trying to fix the slowdowns >_>muahahThanks again for letting me waste your timeOH'tis certainly not a wasteand for a good causeWas supposed to ask you this awhile ago @_@Since you're the music guy =DhahaFor the demo, I planned to have a X vs Zero fightObvious, I knowButI did NOT want to use the X vs Zero theme @_@hahaNeither the X2 one or the X5So do you have any ideas for a theme that could replace it?you mean using an existing theme? or coming up with something originalI don't mind eitherWas expecting an existing song thoughexisting song from X series?UmmDidn't really think that specific =PMy original choice was Zero 2's DepartureBut one of my other testers scolded the hell out of me for suggesting that...Since the fight itself is kinda obvious, I was trying to use a song that was a bit lessIf that makes senseSo I was trying to avoid things like Zero's theme from X1i seehmmAm I being too picky?being too vague xDReally?Well, what do you need to know?criteriai dunnoWell let's try it the other way aroundIf you were making an X vs Zero fight, what song would YOU use?one of the existing, or else write my own xDDo you know which one?X2's is too repetitiveso probably X5'sBah, damnitxDOn top of the fact I don't even like that theme, I feel it would be too clicheor if i were doing it, i might try mixing some themesNow that would be quite awesomeThough that's too much work for just a demo fight, so bahlike maybe start with sigma stage 1 from x1, go into the chorus of departure, then use some of x5's x vs zero or somethin'probably hard for you to visualize maybe =PoraudioizexDauralizeNo it's not, it sounds awsome in my headheheBut I still think that's too much work for a demo fight =(maybe use some of x5's intro themeWhich one?english?US version?xDassuming that's what you mean by which oneOh, I was thought you meant the intro stageah"I was thought"? Ugh, sometimes I think my brain is fried...lmaoI still have no idea what I'm gonna doxDcould do one of the "Trap" themes from ZX or ZXAthems catchyThought about that tooWhile they are extremely good boss themes, I didn't think it fit Zero very muchyeah, perhaps notHeyheyaDid 032 run fine for you?yepsirSweeti posted lots of pretty little bugs for you to check on and fix up =PYep I saw themI hate youXDA lotmuahahaGetting to work on some of them nowi also posted another suggestioncoolAnswered it =Pok xDoh haha, i thought the no-sfx doors were just you being lazy alsoAww, come on man, you're breaking my heartXDno offense meant =PIt's not a SFX that stands out very muchOnly the boss doors which make a completely different sound =Pi noticed it missing every time i went through a doorWell why didn't you bring it up sooner!?yeah they make that sscccchhhhhHHHWWWBAMsoundLolYeah xDand then the music cuts out and it's liek omg someteens gwanna keew meeeealready told you why i didn't bring it up sooner, cuz i thought you knew it and were just gonna be stubborn if i said anything about it =PAm I really stubborn like that?nah probably notjust me making silly assumptionsHahaare you a MMZ fan at all?I just played through Zero 3 just yesterdaysweeti'm excited for MMZ Collection on DSYa, samegot all four of 'em not long after they were released xPAh wow, Zero 3 was the only one I've boughtPlayed through them all thoughah i seekinda wish they'd make the sound quality better for the collection, that was one of the biggest turn-offs for meYeah, I rant about GBA sound quality almost everydayxDDso terribleYeahit should've had DS's sound quality, and DS should have like PSP's sound qualityFinal Fantasy VI is one of my favorite games, and I couldn't even play the intro for the GBA port due to the sound >_>heheh e_eWell, DS sound quality isn't that badyeah it's about as good as SNES or N64 maybei get confused about the numbering, isn't VI like III here? or was it the other way aroundNah, that's righti seeI'm used to calling it VI for some reason thoughoh so it was really III thenIn US, yeahyou know there was a re-make for that on ds too, right?.... No? o.O=OOhNoThat remake was for the real Final Fantasy IIIoh hahaThe japanese FFIII =Pi seeso III here is VI thereSince playstation era, they fixed the numberingVI is VIok xPO_O...wtf? o.Omy youtube comments counter says 122 xDthere's no wayi did not get the e-mails to equateLolhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpGuemrAXMothought you might appreciate thatLol, didn't recognize this song at all at first xDhahaBut ya, it's sweetBrb, gonna go take a showerkanother song you could maybe use for X Vs. Zero fight is MMZ's version of Zero's X1 themeYeah, was trying to avoid that tooBut I don't even know what I want anymorexDeven MMZ's version eh?Yeah, I still feel it's too obviousRandom, but when I end up doing Zero, I'm basing him more towards his MMZ playstyleSimply because I HATE his playstyle in X4-X6haha i seei thought you would've done X3's MMZX7 and X8 don't count. They don't exist to my knowledgesince you're so strict about sticking to the original gamesI'm only strict about that for XZero... mehI feel Zero is better off without a buster.yeaheven though he kinda had one in MMZxDAnd MMZ did his saber justiceI hated how in X4-X6, majority of your attacks were nulledyeahyou aren't just gonna use MMZ sprites then are you?No lol, that would be wrongWill mostly be based on his X3 sprites with some customsEven though I don't really like his X3 sprite muchwhat'll you do about that issue? hoping a spriter will come along by that time?hehehNo, I'm sure I could do that myselfNot muchah okcoolness=PThat won't be for some time thoughStill way too much to doyeah i knowrecall you mentioning in the suggestions list that he won't come until the endYeahHmm, I should try to finish X7 one of these daysxDi have no idea where i got in that gamei don't even hardly remember any of itThat's a good thingi know righthahaxDthat game was pitifulx8 was decent imo but still worse than PSX and definitely worse than SNES onesX8 was playable atleastyeahThough, I remember when the X7 trailers first came out, I was hyped as helli kept my hopes at a distance i think xPthe cell-shaded and 3D looked interesting, but it didn't look so greatHahathey really meffed up capsules in both of those games, but even moreso in X7Did they?yeahIMO anywaysWhatcha mean?You're probably right, I just can't remember =Pwell, after x5 and x6 both had two different armors on top of ultimate, x7 had one single armor, and no ultimatei don't remember for sure but i think x7's armor might've even come all in a single capsuleNah it doesn'tokx8 really wasn't so bad, definitely fixed upSeriously @_@ it was cool that you could mix and match the parts for the first timeYeah, I liked thatI loved how X was all glowy when you used a complete sethehewait, didn't x5 or x6 have actually like 3 armors or something? i think x5 started x off with his x4 armor, and x6 started him off with a gimped version of falconYepX4 armor was slightly gimped tooBut yeah, 3 armorshaha how soi don't recallI forget how, but something was missing =Pi seeremember how x4 had two different buster upgrades? that was kinda weirdI like the idea with starting with armor, but they should have done that with X7 and X8 tooyeahSince Axl makes X almost completely useless until he gets armorhahaAnd ya, the two busters were weirdwould've been cool to see a 32-bit version of x3's armorin x4Hehei didn't know mmz2 had a multiplayer mode o_oThought that was 3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wio8J1dbUDUIf I recall, it's just killing a bunch of enemiesyeahNice touch with the Omega symbol for 2nd playerNever noticed thathehewoah nice, looks like you took out some of those bugsHmm, what?did you?some are gone from the bugs pagei thinkOhYeahit looks like there are lessok xPThat's my job isn't it?yeah hahajust sayin'das cooI still hate you though=O*cries in multiple corners at the same time*o.Oif you upset me, everything becomes all paradoxicalHey! You upsetted me first by flooding my bug list8DBut yeah, next build will likely have even more bugsyessi steal them from you after you fix 'em and keep them as petsi have so many pets alreadyxDhow shall i go about finding more space to keep new ones?No worries, I shall kill your pets one by oneD:nnuuuuueeeooooooeoooo=)http://www.themmnetwork.com/2010/04/16/zero-collection-page-gets-some-action/ read the last line on that articleyeah yeah yeah YEAH THEY BETTER BE <X'DxDfunny that it came up there the day after i whined about itWell, we don't know for sure yeti know x)superfingercrossing thoughYeah, sameI noticed they didn't change the resolution to fit the DS screen =(oh really?It looks letterboxedi seeHoping that's the not the case thoughi wouldn't doubt it, they'd probably have issues with the camera being wider than the stages were made for it to beand tallerYeahk well, I gtg. Talk to ya later.alright laterlikin' the sounds of thattWhat sound are we talking about again?your status text xDAhYeahThatthatyepCharge shot is around halfway doneIt's X2 styleBut X1 is boring, and X3 is uglyLol, I meant because* X1 is boringx3 ugly? xDUgly isn't the word at all, but I don't like it very much =(i think the aftercharge is a key feature there, so at least you'll have thatYeah, I have that implemented alreadycoolpeople may mwargh at you for not giving zero's saber to X though =PPsssshhhhhxDJust be grateful there's even a half decent X engineof course on the other hand, your zero will be a lot more fun than X3's, so yeahYeah, hopefully. Atleast it looks fun in my head =Pyeah hehehBut I'm thinking if I should have them seperate enginesTheres no real reason to though, just a thought.nahhthere wouldn't be as much to a zero-only engineno capsules, no weapons to change betweenTrue enoughHmm, I should probably get started on working on a tileset for the demoOr find someone to do it for meCause you know. Lazy.hahaand why do you get mad at me for expecting laziness of you, again? =PCause you expect it ALL the time =Phehedid you have a plan for the demo stage(s)?Yeah somewhat... Not really.Theres dozens of things I could dohahahaBut theres gonna be heavy limitations on the demoNo extra weapons, and no armorsThough I thought of enabling the air dashes at the starthmmI'll like put in multiple heart tanks hidden in placeslikely*So it doesn't get to hardhow many stages did you have in mind?Mainly just oneokThough another tester gave me an idea of making Zero's stage a variation of X'sLike he takes a completely different pathsorta like if you played x3 stage entirely as zero?before the ceiling fall partYeahcoolBut more to itrightBut yeah, that's the ideaI mentioned I didn't want to mash together all the stage gimmicks in one demo levelThe ice, moving walls, etc.rightSo I'll be splitting it among those twoyeah, good callZero's stage will definitely have both water and iceneatOutside that, I don't really have many other ideaswill he have double jump?Didn't really think about ithehehWouldn't hurtit's not really something that's in MMZ though eitherat least i don't remember it beingYeah well, it won't be completely MMZ styleIt's more of a hybridayeBest of both worlds I guessmaybe, if you're not including armor just because you won't have enough room to hide 4 capsules, you could put one all-parts capsule in somewhereThat wasn't the reason, but I could also do thati seeI wasn't gonna include the armor, simply because I didn't want to =PNo other reason lolhaha okFeel free to share whatever ideas you haveI had planned to get all of you together to brainstorm anywayah, minterestingAnd also so I can stomp your ideas >=)xDdespite there being only one stage, would you still have a level select screen for the demo's sake?I wasn't going toer i mean for the engine's sake*I was planning on making it kinda intro stage-ishi seeLike with a little cutscene at the startMaybe some dialogueyeahto show off your incredible powerzzzzGreen biker dude cameo is a must thoughxDDhow will you do it?No ideaThat's what the brainstorming is foryus hahayou mentioned ride armors and chasers, will those be in the demo?Unfortunately no, I'll be working on those after the demo is doneah okBut maybe they'll make it into Zero's demoi seejust a random idea not really pertaining to a demo, but it'd be interesting, since you can turn ride chasers in x2, to have a boss to fight with oneHmThe only problem would be trying to dodge on it =Pit can jump xDand boostNot very high =PSpeaking of boosting, one random idea I had was making it able to ride on the surface of waterOnly while boosting though, otherwise it'll sink.hah i just had that picture in my head, though i wasn't going to say anything about itah strangexDSay anything you have, it'll likely helpit'd also be interesting to see chasers reworked so that X could fire and maybe even change weapons from the back of them, and have the chaser gun triggered by a secondary fire button like in x4 and up where the triangle button was used to fire normal busterAs for the demo stage itself, the only thing I really know is I want a sunset-ish backgroundSimilar to Gravity beetleyeah, i seeAnd that's a badass idea o.Oneon tiger's is a sunset too, it's just hard to tell xDReminds me of Contrahahaand so is bubble crab'sWellMainly Gravity Beetle =PxPThe part after the first doorstrange, now that i think about it, that all of the three first games had night intro stagesLol, didn't notice thatx1 almost had a day one xDin the alpha stagesReally?Never seen that=O you haven't seen the white city screens?it's day and the highway pieces are white instead of greenNopehttp://www.themechanicalmaniacs.com/articles/mmxmysteries.phpunder the first oneOmg, that's so awesomehaha xDFinally some ideasgoing to pull some more fanservice eh?Haha nahxPBut I like the way that looksyeahMaybe I should?http://www.themechanicalmaniacs.com/images/mmmysteries/MMXmys-GPro.gifYeah, saw that xDhehehReminds me of something out of Bombermansomething really strange is that they have screenshots of the night and day cities in the same articlei wonder if they had two intro stages planned originally or somethingI dunno but I like the alpha idea betterjust from the falling piece of the buildingxPmethinks since they took that out, they used the glass effect they developed for it in storm eagleMakes senseI dunno, you got any other ideas for a stage?some lab built near a mountain top?to work in the ice and waterFor Zero?iunno, x's part could just be the lab, and zero's could be partially or mostly the natural environmentThat's a very good idea, the only thing is I wanted the stage to be in the city =(and work ice and water into it? xD guess it could be winterAnd no, not because of the alpha level. That was my original idea.i knowWellI figured X would be above ground, climbing a building or tower or somethingBut Zero would be somewhere undergroundNot sure exactly why there would be water or ice underground, but hey, bubble crab did it.water makes sensenot so much iceWell, it's not natural iceKinda like in Zero 3Forget what stagei know whichBut there's pipes that's freezing the groundspipesmaybe someonething is trying to freeze the whole city or somethingand beneath this building/area is where it's all startingThat sounds good, but wouldn't there have to be ice in X's section too?not necessarily, cuz they're intercepting it at the beginning of the processHmm *writes down*whatever's doing the freezing is undagroundbut you could say the power source for it as at the top of a tower or somethinor whoever's controlling itWas just about to say thatBUTwhoever/whateverI wanted X to fight Zeroi know you did xDxDif they're so far apart, how do they end up in the same room? xDYeah, like I said, I wanted Zero to be in the same area, yet a completely different routeZero would also work his way upActually, now that I think about it, there's not really a problemZero could start undergroundProbably fight a minibossFind out he needs to go up to power source somehowcould lead his part into the room with elevator or teleporterwhat reason would they have to fight eachother though? hahaABSOLUTELY NONExDI hadn't thought of a reason, and honestly I didn't really careI just wanted Zero to explodexDmaybe he walks in on x, who is trying to stop the thing but looks like he's controlling itYeah maybeand some kind of trap set causes zero to either go berserk or controls himI like that idea betterAwesome awesome*writes down*so it could be like wily set this elaborate plan up forever ago xD or something=O*writes down*like he set up an auto-startup date and sets up all the components in some building noone really knew anything about, iunnoThat's going in too deep now, it's only a demo =Pi know xDmy brain does thingsBut overally, epic ideaoverally xDLmaoover ally? you are too much of an ally?Heheok brb, gonna grab some fewdOkKinda sad how I can't make any ideas for myself =/pshyou made dem weppunsat least you're productiveSomewhatxDCould do betterhhhhhhhamttttttturkeysssssssteak-flavored gushers xDheadache badD: